I don't really know what ChorleyBob's point was, apart from unthinking support for the status quo. I considered Colin Irwin's article shallow and dishonest because it set up straw man arguments in order to knowck them down. He did not deal with any of the legitimate points that have been raised. He didn't even identify, or interview, any of his his opponents. Very sloppy.
   For me, now as ever, there is only ne real issue(the "meaning of traditional" bit is interesting but not relevant, to me). My question remains the same always: nine votes gets you a nomination worth a lot of money.If you've got five votes you control, you're in the pink. Is this a good thing?