... so what hope is there for America? Beats me.

Beats me too, Bruce. Wish it were otherwise. Never said I was a fan of Hillary's, who, if she is ultimately the Dems candidate in 08, will only insure a Republican victory.

"It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it..."

More to the point, Kevin, it ain't what you say [to get elected], its what you do [once you are]. With Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth, its hard to tell what he really believes or intends.