you fail to answer my question Hah! The killer thrust. And, hurrah - bearded bruce wins another argument. The man's a philosophical titan, isn't he? I'd certainly be wary of taking him on in dialectic; heck the man has an absolute arsenal of killer facts up his sleeves and is as articulate as hell to boot. C'mon all you liberal wieners - run away before you get crushed by his intellect. In fact, before we even start on another tack, I'd better concede everything now. I am simply not worthy. You win, bb; your arguments are simply unassailable.