Oh my god. I can only say this after reading this tragic string:

Clearly some people like to argue just because they enjoy it - and I see evidence of it on both sides. Ordinarily I just ignore such aimless arguing, but this is too serious to even watch people play badmitten with it.

re one of the early posts, I'm with you Bill, get the Raid. Or maybe the Glade - something smells fishy.   

All the deadly sins are often tarted up and renamed "Truth."

LH was right about people being backed into a corner being inclined to refuse to admit they are wrong.

No one ever thinks bad things will happen to them. The Romans thought their empire would last forever, and if the dinasaurs had brains bigger than peas they would have thought the same thing. Who would have ever thought that a big hunk of NYC, in particular that hunk where our financial world is concentrated, would vaporize in just a few minutes? We are constitutionally incapable of really believing our world can end. I think it's a survival thing, but in this case it's backfiring.

I have a friend who conducts every aspect of his life as if nothing bad can happen. He is a statistician, and he justifies this self-destructive behavior by citing probabilities. He once set off for a 3 hour drive to Boston with virtually no breaks, and cited statistics for how little he was likely to need them. I am not kidding. Would you ride with this guy? As people have said over and over again, what's the point of arguing how many Al's can dance on the head of a pin? Looks rocky ahead, lot's of good science INDICATES that even if you don't think it proves it, and as I am riding in this car, I prefer we fix the breaks.