oooh Dave - I don't think Lizzie likened Traditional music fans to puppy torturers - I had to read right through the thread to see what on earth you were referring to for that! Naughty - she likened us / them to people who show dogs at Crufts. Not the same thing at all. Breed purists was the point she was making (albeit emotionally and not using a very good analogy, I'll grant you) - but saying she likened folkies to puppy torturers is naughty - cos she didn't say that - or mean that - and you know that - and people who show dogs at crufts aren't puppy torturers anyway.