"but what I am saying is that there is a basis in theology from which to argue your point. To base your efforts on anything else will not get you very far. Seeing all theists and all theology from the narrow view isn't working, right?" - WYSIWYG

But Susan, why must my point be argued from a theological basis? I am not a theist. Surely my point can and must be argued from a secular stance, from the premises of logic, reason and humanity. Your stance is exactly what I am objecting to, and the point I am trying to make. Theists will not respond to argument outside of theology. And I am 'outside of theology', although, by background and through interest I know a fair amount of theology, and am likely more biblically well-read than many theists.