PS Bee-- (I'm multitasking today)

the point is not necessarily to win arguments, but to clearly see the other's position, and have them see mine, and hopefully come to an agreement that satisfies both without infringing on the rights of either.

Me too. That's what I'm desribing, but I am not sure it's getting in very far before you reject it as being merely more of what has already frustrated you.

~Susan