Too bad this has become a thread where a Christian tries to set the terms of discussion.

Celebrating the fact of Stark's statement is what interests me, not whether it's possible to make Susan comfortable.

There are many of us who live in this Christianist culture who have no need to affirm or reject any part of the theistic discussion; we live our lives, and celebrate every step toward a view more broad than the one which ends up at God.

What you don't see, Susan, is what you don't get.