I'm sorry, I should have added that Ismael Ugarte frequently recorded with one of my all-time favorite singers, Bobby Short. Mrs Ugarte, my late neighbor, went by another name and I didn't realize her late husband was Ismael Ugarte until a year or so before her death. She and he had separated after a few years of marriage never bothering to divorce. Upon her death, I learned much more about all of this from their adult son who probably wouldn't want me to name him. His relationship with his mother was troubled due to her above described nature.

So, behind me all those years was a gal married to a Jazz musician who had played with Bobby Short forever and ever and was around for the founding of Atlantic records. And, she was having a 20 year romance with a guy who had been married to odetta and who had managed a number of folk acts in the mid to late 50s. All that is what I would have liked to discuss with them both.