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Thread #100409   Message #2023190
Posted By: Little Hawk
12-Apr-07 - 10:53 AM
Thread Name: BS: One compelling reason for a god?
Subject: RE: BS: One compelling reason for a god?
Here's another thing for you to ponder, Mrrzy. You said, "In the US alone there are about 10:1 atheists/people of no religion to jews. Why aren't we a more viable political force?"

LOL! Why aren't you a more viable political force????? I can't believe you're asking that. Look, my friend, the world is basically run by people who don't believe in much of anything but seeking their own gain. Such people are THE political force in this world, and among their ranks are included the vast majority of both atheists and so-called "religious" people. People who genuinely devote their efforts to a higher ideal of any sort are actually quite rare.

Most people seek the following things in life:

1. Survival
2. Pleasure
3. Possessions
4. Wealth
5. Status

Survival normally comes first, quickly followed by the others in no particular order.

And they seek to avoid:

1. Death
2. Suffering
3. Poverty
4. Humiliation

This is true of the vast majority of people whether or not they are atheists or theists, and it IS the primary engine (set of motivations) which runs and sustains all political systems. It IS the political force that prevails.

So your perception that non-theists are not a viable political force is silly, in my opinion. Non-theists AND theists in search of more money and more possessions, pleasure, and status are pretty well running the whole frikkin' WORLD right now!

Here's the reason why you don't see the non-theists as "a viable political force". They're all in it for themselves. Accordingly, they are competing against one another and therefore are at odds with each other. Their basic desires are pretty much identical, but those desires are by their very nature mutually conflicting when it comes to expressing them. This is also, by the way, rather true of the various theists who can't agree with each other on religion.

You see, you might just as well bemoan the fact that all the religious people in the world can't join together in a common political purpose as that all the non-religious ones can't. ;-) It's the same problem in both cases.

I have faith that you will probably not fully appreciate the point I have just made. (grin)