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Thread #100863   Message #2032101
Posted By: Amos
21-Apr-07 - 02:45 PM
Thread Name: BS: Why should anyone believe in 'God'?
Subject: RE: BS: Why should anyone believe in 'God'?
And consciousness is electro(bio)chemistry

This is an untenable proposition, in my opinion. I see it as going to the movies and getting stuck among the characters on the screen, confused by all the drama going on around you, as distinguished from being able to enjoy the fiction with knowing suspended disbelief, while still being conscous of the machinery behind the projection and the authors, actors, producers, and directors who braiught the film into being. I recognize this is only one interpretation and somewhat of a Socartatic one.

But in any case there is, to my way of thinking, an inescapable jump in basic quality, not just quantity, in certain actions attributable to consciousness whihc are entirely inconsistent with everything we know about matter and energy and chemicals and electrons.

1. Being there (as an act of intent). This is the simpllest act of consciousness and cannot be duplicated by an electromechanical device.

2. Perceiving. This, too, is the simplest act of consciousness. Electronic and biochemical systems can react to stimuli, but perception itself is something else again.

3. Intent. Consciousness can energize matter, and arguably even bring it into being. It can generate the will that a certain change shall occur and see that it does. Matter and energy cannot do this; they are entropic, passive, and constrained to the laws of mass and condensation, generally. They do not envision r intend; they do not create new communications and send them out for review.

You could argue that physical particles cannot exist entirely in the present, also, but that is a far out proposition that I won't belabor here.

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