On the subject of an impromptu, informal get-together this summer, a few people have suggested this, for all the right reasons. I wouldn't want to discourage this but of course if it seems like we can manage happily without any money this undermines our case for funding.

On the subject of charging, we could look at this (and sponsorship and other grant-aiding bodies) as a supplementary option if we ever get mainstream support for '08.

It's all a bit delicate and a bit complicated.