Oh please Mudcatters - TTCM is just stirring the possum. Let's just ignore it - as we say in Oz, don't get your knickers in a knot. On a serious note - I also subscribe to a list called "vocalist.org" which focusses on "classical" singing. Many times I don't read a lot of the posts on it because there are a lot of wanky type people writing "I don't think this question/comment whatever should be on this list because we are dedicated to......etc." and using lots of smiley symbols to finish nasty comments. I go to the Mudcat site in relief thinking - sensible or silly, at least it's honest and tolerant. Please don't change!