Donuel: good for you!! People need to know what is really being done in their name. The accounts you posted are shocking and very, very sad. It's hard to believe that such things are still being done in this day and age by man to his fellow man. Everyone is brutalised by these acts - the viticm, the torturer, the civilian population it is supposedly done to protect. It's doubly horrible that some of the soldiers apparently said "this is a gift from Christ to you muslims" -- I really detect the hand of satan in that. Those acts are not the acts of Christ. Those soldiers are not Christians, they are the agents and minions of satan.

I don't know how much people in the USA knew or suspected - but in Europe most people have long known or suspected that this kind of thing was happening at Gitmo.

You know, during the D-Day celebrations we heard a lot about WW2 and how evil the nazis were, and how guilty the Germans of the time (1920s and 30s) were in not doing more to stop the nazis from gaining power. There are two points to be made here: the nazis indoctrinated children from a young age through the school system to the point these kids would even turn in their parents if they were deemed unpatriotic. The average German was lied to consistently to believe that his enemy was the Jew and that there was a conspiracy against them. Anyone who spoke out against the nazi regime (especially after 1933) was either harrassed (to the point of being physically attacked), bankrupt or simply 'disappeared'. It would take someone very foolish or brave to contniue speaking out against a regime like that. Hitler's first victims were communists, political opponents, university professors and free-thinkers. No wonder those who opposed it eventually fell silent and felt it couldn''t be stopped. Easy to judge people with hindsight, but we would we have acted so very differently?

My point is, that was all those years ago. Our leaders lie to us by telling us that when the nazis were vanquished, evil was eliminated from Western culture. As Donuel's posts show, evil is very much alive and well and perhaps even more slick, sophisticated and horrible than it was in nazi times.

Each of us has a duty to stop this evil. What have you done today to stop it? How did you cast your vote in the last elections? When was the last time you took part in an anti-war rally, or wrote to your representative demanding an end to this insane 'war on terror' (which is unwinnable the way the neo-cons are going about it, but very winnable by removing the root causes and creating a more just and equal world). If we don't do these things, are we any better than the Germans that didn't oppose the nazis? They had to worry about disappearing into a concentration camp. We at least don't have such an excuse - yet, but don't hang about waiting for it to get to that. If there isn't an anti-war group in your area, then start one up and get busy. Gitmo and the rest of it happens because we become bystanders.