Raffleperson, maybe you're right that collapse is too strong a word, but Napper tells me of the good old days when you could tour for a whole week in just Cornwall, say, or East Scotland. Towns had dozens of clubs, and many people went to a different one every night of the week. Now the distance between clubs seems almost to be defined as double the length of time people are prepared to drive home afterwards - like the distribution of market towns being defined by a day's walk. George is right. That's why we've started the new clubs e-list, and can only hope that a lifeltime's wisdom on what makes a good club good will be passed to new hands.