Les,
I've been in clubs like that too, though not necessarily traditionally based ones. - I've never thought reverence was the problem, just people who take themselves too seriously.
Don't know why we're going to Sardinia while the weather is as good as it is here in Clare - but somebody has to do it!
Countess,
We started work with Travellers under the Westway, on an unofficial pull-on a few hundred yards from the present one - good days. I understand that a book has recently been published on the established site there.
That definition will do as a start for me.
Jim Carroll