You can get a very good Egg Cream at the Famous Deli in Philly--as to Italian Ices, they don't make them with juices in Philly--they make them with syrups--the best places make their own syrups, with "secret" recipes, so they don't taste like the ones on the next block. Anyway, in Philly, it is a "Water Ice"--I said it before--do I have to come over there?