Amos, you are actually supporting my statement. During surgery the brain has access to all sensory info; if it tells it to the mind as if it were an OOB, it's still info that the senses had access to. Nobody has ever been documented, I reiterate, to learn something they couldn't have known, during an OOB experience. All you have is the hearing system working while the person is unconscious, the same way people who aren't awakened by a tree falling over will have had a disaster dream. It isn't paranormal, it's just normal brain functioning.

And M.Ted, what assertion is weak? All I am asserting is that we can figure out right from wrong with our own intelligence, by observation and thought, without having recourse to any supernatural authority. There is no need to posit god-based morality, we have evolved our own, in a natural way. If you want to pick on some detail of how I said that, you may, but you are not demonstrating any weaknesses in what *I* said, only in your own counter-arguments.