Bobert: I am in touch with the world enough to know that the average apartment is not $1300 per month like you claimed. It is not germain to this discussion but it is germain to your claim that you are more in touch with reality that I. It appears you may have been born this morning.

You can Quote Nixon with out being ridiculed by the Bush Bashers and try to blame Vietnam on him but in fact a previous administration started it an Nixon ended it. Kennedy (awk awk) started a secret war that congress was not even aware of.

It is true that the Liberation act did not call for military action but it did set US offocial policy on regime change for Iraq. Bill Clinton (Awk Awk) did carry out three military attacks on Iraq without warning or consulting Congress at all.(Awk Awk) "Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces...Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.(Awk Awk)

Was that a violation of the Constitution? And Carter (Awk Awk) made the Carter Doctrine ( which was based on the Trueman Doctrine) US policy which provided for military action to protect American Interests (oil) in the middle east. Remember the big gas shortage back then?

Bill Clinton (awk awk)had the spying program Eschelon, also used by the UK, Canada and the free world for that matter. It was not revaled to the public until 2000. It has roots going back to 1948. Was that a violation of the constitution? (awk awk)

After 9/11 Congress was quick to rally behind GWB lest they look like they were soft on defense and lose votes. Now they do a 180 like Bobert claims GWB did and claim they were duped. Are they stupid or something? No, it is all about votes. Yeah, I can get more votes by bashing Bush than I can by standing by my original position

This immigration reform bill will be used the same way.

Might I also point out that the main beneficiary of that the Iraq Liberation act, Chalabi, had his funds cut off abruptly by Bush when he was found out to be a fraud? Who was that blamed on, Bush or Clinton? (awk awk)

And how many military deaths occured during the first four years of the Clinton (awk awk) adminstration during his "peacetime"? Hint more than have died during Bush's "illegal war" Even during Mr. peace prize Carter's (awk awk) administration, there were 2,392 military deaths in 1980. Yup.

So go ahead and take your cheap shots. The Ol' PR machine is working 24/7/365 Bashing Bush and covering up any similar historical actions that might put things into context. Yeah, history does repeat itself.

And Ron, there are people here that know how to respond in a more civilized manner. I suggest you quit moping, dry your little eyes and take their lead.