Don't be sad about starting the thread, Les. Im sure it was well meant and if some people used it to spout bile - that's their problem.

It IS terribly sad - I think a whole generation of young musicians were expecting to make a living in what seemed a wonderful artistic movement - genuinely from the people.

It didn't turn out the way some of us hoped, but I suppose it worked out to some folks' satisfaction and enrichment, and isn't that the way of the world. Things can't be perfect, because we're not.