OK Dave, we don't agree. Shame, but there ya go.

There's no point us keep going on, each gainsaying the other - we don't agree, probably never will. I believe in tolerance as the way to a better world and I'm happy to tolerate those who hold differing views from mine.

What say we call it a day and, should we meet (after all, I'd like to bet we must live within an hour's drive of one another), we can audition one another over a pint! :-)

And FTR, I know a number of instrumentalists whose talents have been developed and honed in club settings, some of them were crap, to say the least, when they started out but they're now excellent and, equally important, confident performers.

Cheers,
BWM