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Thread #97835   Message #2066317
Posted By: Dickey
02-Jun-07 - 01:38 AM
Thread Name: BS: Maliki doesn't want more U.S. troops
Subject: RE: BS: Maliki doesn't want more U.S. troops
Do you always get so adversarial when someone disagrees with you and asks question of you?

I was asked something and I gave an answer. I have asked what will happen if the US pulls out of Iraq and I get one word answers and a wild goose chase. Now in retaliaton I get an argument about something else.

Subject: RE: BS: Maliki doesn't want more U.S. troops

From: Dickey - PM
Date: 26 May 07 - 12:08 AM

Dianavan:

What interest did al-Qaeda have in Afghanistan? The US left out of there after they helped them drive out the Russians.

al-Qaeda is in Lebanon stirring up shit there. Is that because the US military is there?

Who should pull out of Lebanon so al-Qeada would loose interest and go home? Where would al-Qaeda go home to?

Why is al-Qaeda in Somalia? Morroco? Algeria? Indonesia? Phillipines? India?

You have answered nothing.


Tell me which part of this is not true:

Al-Qaeda's was formed to eliminate foreign influence in Muslim countries, eradication "infidels" (that includes you), elimination of Israel, and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate, Islamic government representing the political unity and leadership of the Muslim world.

According to this CNN special, UBL got pissed at the US because SA asked the US for help and turned him down:

CNN presents In the Footsteps of bin Laden, with Christiane Amanpour.

IV.        Birth of al Qaeda—1988-1990

He helped achieve victory over the Soviets. He was a hero in Afghanistan. Now what?

Became allied with Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Eygptian radical who had been imprisoned by inciting violence in Egypt. Al-Zawahiri was critical secular govenments in the Middle East and wanted to overthrow govts to create more fundamental Islamic states.

Bin Laden's former mentor, Abdullah Azzan, was against this thinking as it put Muslim against Muslim.

Al Qaeda, meaning "The Base" is formed. Osama bin-Laden handles al-Qaeda's finances and al-Zawahiri handles strategic operations. Al-Qaeda's objectives: eliminate foreign influence in Muslim countries, destroy infidels, and create a new Islamic state.

V.        Iraq Invates Kuwait—1990

August 1990: Iraq, with Saddam Hussain at the helm, invades neighboring country of Kuwait. Saudi Arabia, also feeling threatened, asks the US for help.

Bin Laden volunteers his "army," but is reflused. Instead US troops land on Saudi soil.

Bin Laden goes nuts. The infidel is in the Holy land.
He criticizes the royal family and loses favor with the govt there.

VI.        On the Brink 1991 – 1996

In Sudan. In the early 1990s, a radical govt opened its doors to extremists. Bin Laden attracted to Sudan as he is looking for an Islamic utopia. Working as a businessman. Sees himself as a holy man. He had been forced to flee SA for speaking out against the govt.

February 23, 1993, the WTC was attacked by a bomb in a truck in an underground parking garage. Arrests of men with links to bin Laden. Bin Laden denies responsibility, but his influences are indisputable.

Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman had close ties to Ayman al-Zawahiri, a fellow Egyptian.

In 1994, Saudi Arabia froze his assets and his family publicly disowned him. In 1975, in an open letter to King Fahd, he denounced the royal family and their ties to the US. Shortly after, there was a bombing at Khobar Towers, an apartment complex in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, that housed many foreign military personnel, including Americans. Bomb killed 19 American servicemen and injured hundreds of all nationalities.

Bin Laden makes video applauding the action.

Pressure is put on the Sudanese govt to expel bin Laden. Bin Laden flees to Afghanistan.

VII.        The First Warning—1996 – 1998

Back to Afghanistan, where bin Laden feels comfortable, stripped of his Saudi citizenship, he mounts his war against the US.

Bin Laden had a media advisor. 1997, He gave CNN a TV interview. High security. Message is that the next war was against the US because the US policies are unjust. US civilians are not targets, but we cannot guarantee their safety.

May 1998 ABC interviews bin Laden. Bin Laden was using the media to get across his message. Ayman al-Zawahiri was also there. Show that al Qaeda is global. Message is that America is the biggest terrorist. He was foreshadowing the plan for 9/11. He was doing advanced publicity for 9/11. Predicting a black day for the US, after which the US will never be the same.