The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #102005   Message #2066998
Posted By: The Borchester Echo
03-Jun-07 - 03:46 AM
Thread Name: morality of collecting
Subject: RE: morality of collecting
Mr Olesko

May I remind you and anyone else that you entered this thread with an entirely off-topic, trivialising declaration from nowhere that you intended to write my biography (and this was why I called you a scumbag) and some slimy creep called M.Ted offered to contribute amusing 'aneccdotes', to which you replied: 'My lawyer will call your lawyer', at which point Joe Offer closed the thread.

Then it mysteriously re-opened and you described yourself as a 'old dinosaur'. You said (as your first vaguely on-topic contribution):

This is a complicated subject. A contract is a contract, and while 'moral' issues may be present, there are also 'ethical' questions. I'm not defending Bulmer, everything I have read about him makes him sound slimey. Still, I think there are other sides to the issue.

Steve Shaw said:

Yes indeed, there are other sides to the issue all right. Here's one of them. One of the very finest singers in the English or any other tradition made some sublime albums. The rights to those recordings passed to a bloke who will not allow this wonderful man to make a single penny from them, in spite of the fact that he came upon very hard times and was unable to perform ever again.   Please do not bore me with you weasel, moral, ethical or contractual issues.

And I said:

The 'other side of the issue' is exactly as described by Steve Shaw above. Although not obliged in law to do anything at all, Bulmer's publishing company could perform a humanitarian function not only for the artists but a lucrative one for himself as well as them by selling the rights back. Please do not bore me either with attempts to justify why he should not.

After which Mr O treated Steve Shaw with polite contempt and me only with contempt. He says that I 'take a position' and attack when other people question it. Bollocks. I describe how it is, I have no need to manufacture positions. Whereas you and your testosterone-fuelled cohorts including the ridiculously-named Rusty Dobro simply fling in misinformed, usually off-topic insults. You don't address the topic because you can not.

Hope this helps Katlaughing who is obviously far too busy getting to know all the male members of Mudcat to address a serious issue about real people herself.