Cobblers, Ron, as ever. But I'd give you the benefit in NYC even though I don't know about that frozen apology for "beer" you have over there. We could put the world to rights over a pint of ten of Doom, Diane, of that I'm certain. And Ralph, it's not about winners and losers. What we want is for everyone to win. Even that funny feller in Yorkshire. I speak with venom scarcely concealed as I'm a Lancashire lad missen. :-)