What I meant by "But all this ain't about "clubs"" was that my one posting as a response to a posting about a venue I happen to know was not about clubs.

We've all said goodness knows how much about our differing view of things and I seems to me that,apart from those of us singing from the same hymn sheet, we are going to have to agree to disagree.

With a few exceptions out there you are not going to change my mind and I'm not going to be able to change anybody else's mind.

We'm goin' round in zircles unnus an' us'll dizappear up our own fundimentals if us carries on like this,

Dave