Shit! Roger you are RIGHT! and I apologize.

Sham wrote me a private note asking what my suggestion of two forums had to do with his "VOW" proposition. At first I thought "Jeez Roger..everything, 'cause it might cut down the frustration level of the truly (and often legitimately) annoyed." But I re-read his initial post and sure enough..I forgot his main point. He doesn't ask for a debate (he welcomes people who disagree to personally send him a message) he just wanted those who agree (I don't, 'cause I think human nature messes up ALL systems) to sign up..no more..no less. Sounds valid to me Rog. Sorry.

Rick