Sure Kieth. I would say, however, that if you find an instance of Bobby Sands torturing anyone, I would be rather amazed. If you are looking at mistreatment of prisoners in Irish wars, you would have to go very far back indeed if this is a conversation about the politics of the last outrage. I would say, begin with the Black and Tan war, but that would be wrong, if one goes further back to the White Boys, you will find nationalist outrages. But, that is not the point I had hoped to raise. Several of you said you don't think a film about Sands would be a good idea. I thought it would, as it whould show that we are repeting the mistakes of the past. Torture is becoming the methodology of fighting wars. You will find in the artical,

"Between January 2004 and January 2005, first at Abu Ghraib prison and then in Mosul, in northern Babil province, he tortured suspects, most of whom he said were innocent. He realised he had entered a moral dungeon when he found himself reading a Holocaust memoir, hoping to pick up torture tips from the Nazis."

There is a difference between fighting the cause of the last outrage, and learning from our past to stop it.

All the best
lor