Janie : As I could have quoted more of what you have said but this is exactly what I am talking about and to me it seems as though all the different angences are working together to keep people poor and dependent on the system. And it matters now at what point that a person enters this maze it's like get the money that you are entitled to you so we can help you ate the same time make it so hard for you to ever take charge of your life again we will take care of you just give US the money because we will do more for you. and if you live in our place you just have to be in by 5:00 PM lights out at 9:00 PM and you have to be out of here by a certain time in the morning. This is only one of several examples. ......So I know your are right on the money so to speak but this is one of the reasons that people are kept down so to speak Thank you

I wonder, when you talk about people making big money in the industry that has indeed arisen around 'services' for the poor, if you are speaking of the privatization of traditionally publicly run programs? You don't say enough about that for me to know exactly what you are talking about. I know there are definitely businesses making money, and lots of it, who contract for job training and job development programs, and in mental health. It is the CEO's and the very upper level management of these firms who are profitting, and profitting nicely. I also know that New Jersey has some famously corrupt municipalities (don't know about county and the state gov't) where agents of the the government historically have made tidy sums from kick backs, etc. I don't think of these people and the management of these companies as 'do gooders.' I think of them as corrupt opportunists. I also know from my own professinal experience that the amount of 'spin' that goes into programs, public and private' that are touted as services for people in need are in reality something else intirely. I do not mean that no one in need is ever helped by these programs. However, the publicly stated mission of service is simply a cover. The real mission is something else intirely. Usually some combination of profit for a small number of top level management, irresponsible cost-shifting, and the creation of political capital for some one else. This is a whole topic unto itself, so I won't comment further on it at this time.