I'm sorry - i have just spent 48 hours caring for an injured kestrel, who has had to be pts, due to a broken wing, at the end of the day. Nothing to do with cruelty - just sad, cos he had a mate and young to feed.

I am too tired to discuss this any more for the time being. If you wish to continue discussion, please do so without me, cos I need some sleep. I've got work in the morning as well.