Who is missing the point, it isn't the study of Folklore that is being knocked it is the attitude that seems to be imbued in some graduates that they are the crème de la crème and they can piss in the faces of the paying public by deigning to turn up and produce mediocrity when they should be capable of more. I take the point that that is what semi-mature people do although I think a lack of confidence in most prevents that surfacing. Anyway, as I have said before, I probably have had one bad experience and maybe my expectations were elevated by the hype. And, the vast majority of the "uneducated" youngsters around us are wonderful company and beaver away in the sessions without any expectations of anything but enjoying themselves, and they do. So this isn't a pop at Newcastle, unless, that is, someone is telling them that they are better than they are. I personally don't think the Young Folk Tradition is undermining folk music I think there are some corkers around and they will be around for years, although I am one of those people who is fairly tolerant as to what is folk music. Anyway, as one young graduate said, I am a nobody and I don't know anything.