I still don't really understand your problem, WLD - I can't help thinking that carrying chip-on-your-shoulder about people who like to sing traditional songs is a very strange chip to carry (even though there are some crap singers of traditional songs around, I would be the first to admit).

On the other hand (to rather overdo anatomical metaphors, I suppose)some very wise words from Don Firth. Do you think all those 'living tape-recorders' out there are listening, Don?