Dave, you are really not getting this are you, I want seperate bars, sealed off from each other, or better still, non smoking & smoking pubs, chioce being up to the landlord.

Hooray! I had it ages ago, skipy, it was you that didn't! Yes, absolutley. We need seperate venues for smokers and non-smokers. That is what we now have. You smoke in your house. I don't smoke in mine. Easy. Now, about this seperate pubs idea. Would you also suggest serperate pubs for black and white people? Seperate bars for the Jews maybe? Or is it just smokers and other drug addicts that you want to segregate from normal society? No wonder you read the BNP site every couple of weeks;-)

On a more serious note, you have already said that pubs will lose money due to not allowing smokers. I don't believe it myself but how many landlords do you believe will take that chance if this wonderful idea of yours became reality? How many non-smoking pubs were there before the 'ban'? 70+%, representing the number of non-smokers? No chance. Maybe 50%? No? Perhaps 10%? I doubt it.

How many times do I have to say it. The landlords and pub owners have had the choice to make their pubs non-smoking for the last 50 years at least. They haven't done it before now. What makes you think that given the choice they would do it in the future? Your arguments are spurious at the very least and do not do you any credit. At least have the decency to give this different approach a fair chance when the old one has obviously failed.

Dave