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Thread #102658   Message #2103503
Posted By: robomatic
15-Jul-07 - 02:49 PM
Thread Name: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
Carol:

Answer to question as to how to check for Mr. Ryan's bonafides, I don't know.

Peace:

I'm somewhat surprised that you harbor doubts as to the 'ficial 'splanation of WTC coming down, but like you say, we'll still be on-line buds. You and CarolC are entitled to your doubts. I am pretty much convinced by the footage of the event itself. Planes hit, started fire, building collapsed from the top down. I understand how explaining it minute by minute can get technical, but it's much easier to throw stones (figuratively speaking) than to stick to hard events.

I always thought it was harder to explain why the towers didn't fall the first time they were bombed from the underground. People just found that easier to accept, and we didn't have a huge contagion of internet kibbitzers back then in the early 90's.

Carol you wrote, first quoting me and then posing your own question/challenges:
"The Nova program showed experts going through piles of WTC wreckage to find and mark and recover for analysis structural metal from the collision area."

So where is this material, and why aren't we being shown the results of the analyses? Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to put all of this speculation to rest simply by providing the material to several different independent testing agencies and publish the results publicly. Or even better, make the material available to anyone who wants to study and test it, and subject any results that are published to peer review. Just like we do for any other kind of science.

I don't know. If it were a murder victim, there would be a pathology/ coroner report, and the body would be buried. There is probably an analogy to how evidenciary material is treated here. There should also be lots of photographs and notes. Whether they are public property or not is a good question to ask. Maybe one could obtain what you wish via FOIA.

And while we're at it, it wouldn't be too difficult for the government to release the video footage of the Pentagon that was taken by the security cameras of the hotel across the road (which was confiscated by the FBI), so people can see for themselves that what crashed into the Pentagon was what the official whitewash says it was.

I'm told there was plenty of debris immediately after the impact. Since the Pentagon is a governmental/ security resource, if I were in charge of things, I would not release any information including camera footage. I would understand that the doubter/ provocateurs would not be satisfied and I would deny would-be terrorists the opportunity to learn anything from the footage.

And although your experience has been that sometimes whistle blowers don't get fired, I don't think you could possibly be suggesting that they never do.

I not only could not possibly be suggesting, it, I am not suggesting it. I am noting that honest to god whistleblowers have legal rights which can be enforced and I've been witness to the fact. There are also plenty of storytellers and professional prevaricators, and hopefully they can be separeated from the true reporters.