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Thread #103880   Message #2122095
Posted By: John Hardly
08-Aug-07 - 06:58 PM
Thread Name: BS: US Politics- Are We Gender Voters?
Subject: RE: BS: US Politics- Are We Gender Voters?
who said the item produced had to be the same as the item consumed?

That sounds like very fancy doubletalk. MofH said there was no difference between how a corporation works and how a government works re:production and consumption. It really doesn't matter how fancy the wording -- if the government was a self-sustaining, wealth-producing entity, it would not need to tax its people.

Corporations cannot tax people (though they can and do manipulate the government to tax the people for them -- a discussion for another day). They, therefore, must produce a good or a service that is demanded by the people in order to induce people to freely give their money to them in exchange for those services.

If a corporation does not produce a product that is demanded, or the product ceases to be demanded, the corporation either ceases to exist, or finds a new product or service to offer under its corporate label. But it must be profitable to continue to exist. That doesn't mean it needs to produce a surplus -- just a profit -- pay for the cost of production plus labor.

If a government offers services it's because its populace demands that service -- and has decided that the service is one better served by government -- for any number of reasons. But the service is paid for by coersion of the people -- taxation. A completely different arrangement.

So, to that extent -- given your model that a government is the same thing as a corporation because it provides a service that is paid for -- well, hell's bells -- the government could also run a service at a substantial surplus, given your defintions that that which is coerced is the same as that which is volitionally demanded. The government could just demand a greater percentage the people's wealth (a surplus to the expense of the theoretical service). Viola! A profitable business and the government is a net producer!

But it's "profitablility" belies its nature. It is a consumer. It requires taxation. Corporations do not.