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Thread #79493   Message #2143657
Posted By: GUEST,jfnjnbvavo
07-Sep-07 - 09:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Gun control
Subject: RE: BS: Gun control
Okay, now I have some time.

Revisionist history is hard to pull off when you have living witnesses, and one of the best I've come across lately is Kitty Werthmann. She was in Germany when Hitler registered and then confiscated guns. She lectures on it and has written a book on it. She lost family in Germany, came to the U.S. and is now rather upset to see Americans being led down the same path, point by point, that Hitler used. Werthmann says Hitler's German government first announced that there were too many child-related accidents with guns, so they had to be registered. When that didn't affect the # of injuries/deaths, they moved to confiscation. She saw it. She was there. Some were allowed to keep their guns, and I've seen photos of people hunting with Goering, so guns were around, but not for the people who weren't on the "approved" list.

That Germany sounds a lot like today's Canada. You need to have a "permit" to use guns? That's a shame. In the U.S., gun ownership is a right. A constitutional right. When the government issues permits, gun ownership is a privilege. Big difference between a right and a privilege.

Anyway, Werthmann says Americans should not give up guns. In fact, it is our duty to protect the Second Amendment against those who would deny it. It is our duty to protect our Constitution. So that means that when they come to collect your guns, you need to put those guns to use. To do otherwise would be to capitulate to an oppressive government, and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution say you can't do that. And if you think "laws" have been passed to make you give up your rights, the only court decision you need to refer to is Marbury vs. Madison (1805): a law repugnant to the constitution is void. Period. Same ruling mentions court decisions that violate the constitution. They are not legal.

Let's see...NRA. Shill group. Wayne LaPierre is a sellout. After Virginia Tech, the US congress passed and Bush signed a law which denies you gun ownership if you've had "mental problems." Because the shooter at Virginia Tech had "mental problems." So now, your mental history is on file in a huge database, and if you try to buy a gun, you may be denied. And the Nazi American Psychiatric Association has expanded the list of things qualifying as "psychiatric disorders" to include things like "pain following an injury," so if your hospital or doctor's records show you've taken painkillers, sorry, no gun. And LaPierre supported this. Tens of millions of dues paying members think he's looking after their right to own firearms, but he's not. Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership are TRUE gun-rights groups.

What else...artbrooks and the denial of the obvious. I listened to a bit of Rush Limbaugh today and a bit of the "liberal" National Public Radio. Identical messages on both, regarding the Iraq war. Limbaugh says Republicans support it, and NPR says Democrats (a timeline, not a deadline) support it. I bring that up only because artbrooks is prickly about the Bush torture state. I've noticed more and more that Democrats are now supporting the things they once decried in the Bush Administration. War, torture, etc.

What we have now in America is a system where you can be "denationalized" if you're "suspected" of being a terrorist. Because of the USA PATRIOT Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, and provisions of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, you can now be declared a suspected terrorist and be remanded to military custody. The president or his "designate" can make this determination, and you can be stripped of your American citizenship by a military tribunal. Once you are no longer a citizen, the new laws that apply to foreign "enemy combatants" can be used against you. You can be flown to Egypt, Syria, etc., and be tortured to death. If your arrest was initiated with a "secret warrant," no information need be given about your case. Codified into law and supported by directives from Attorney General Ashcroft and Attorney General Gonzales. Presidential Executive Orders and signing statements reinforce this new torture mentality, too. Tons of analyses of the situation written by legal experts are on the web.

What else...McVeigh. A patsy. He was working for the government and infiltrated a white supremacist site. Then the Oklahoma City bombing, but the government didn't pursue the "angry white men" angle. Odd. I think they dropped it because they knew it wouldn't hold water. There's lots of video on the web of the first half-hour after the bombing. Reporters are reporting other bombs being seen in the building, and you can see government bomb disposal units backing up to the building and removing unexploded devices. A TOW missile was in the FBI office directly over the daycare center, missile pointed down. Jane Graham of HUD was on her way to work and saw men putting "sticks of gray butter" on columns in the basement. BATF men were on the scene in full bomb gear one minute after the blast, and it takes 15 minutes to get suited up. Numerous explosive experts have pointed out the Ryder truck bomb couldn't possibly do the damage that was observed. The man who coordinated the government operation lied about his arrival time in OKC. He said he drove like hell that morning to get there, but a hotel receipt showed he arrived the night before. So the government got only partial detonations and left behind too much forensic evidence. They had to call off the purge of white men. But they sure learned about destroying evidence by the time 9/11/01 rolled around, didn't they?

Gun ownership is good. It keeps America free. It is your duty as an American to fight all assaults on the Second Amendment. A government that would blow up the Murrah building will kill you and your family. Don't depend on the government to protect you. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.