Little Hawk, you use "appealing" as if you were quoting someone. I get the feeling you think you are quoting me. Now, I may have used 'appealing' up the road - I'm not going to go check - but in my last post to Ake I did not. If you would like to quote me, I said to Ake, "... male/male union bothers you far more than the idea of female/female. And yet the emotions are the same."

And yes. I do believe that male/male union bothers him more because he himself is male. Which, to me, means that his stated objections to homosexual relationships have little or nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of those relationships, only to do with his own distaste.

Which reaction, I think, is fair. But I would further point out that few of us spend any time visualizing others' marital activities or indeed have any inclination to do so. I have lesbian and gay friends- I wouldn't think of asking them any questions. I accept that we all figured out what we wanted to do.

Ake may feel differently about it.