Willie-O I'm glad your recovery is going so well. Good for you - keep it up. But I thing you have to admit that there are some people out there that ARE powerless over alcohol and for them and others AA might just work. I'm glad that you posted your resources and I hope that John looks into them AND AA to see which one will work for him. Some people like Gibons and some prefer Martins. The important thing is that if someone perceives that they have a problem then they should look into ways that they can get help with it.

John - reguardless of which road you decide to go down, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you the best. Feel free to contact me. Wesley S.