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Thread #105290   Message #2164886
Posted By: Azizi
06-Oct-07 - 12:29 AM
Thread Name: BS: Gay Terminology
Subject: RE: BS: Gay Terminology
There happens to be a diary on Daily Kos about the subject of gay, lesbian, and/or transgender people. That diary is http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/5/195448/344

I am a Lesbian by rserven
Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 05:01:09 PM PDT

Here's an excerpt from that article:

"The notions of homosexuality and heterosexuality get blurred a lot when considering transsexuals. I have personally always been oriented towards woman...maybe gynephilic is a better word (as opposed to androphilic). That didn't change when I transitioned, nor do I ever expect it to.

About 50% of male to female transsexuals are lesbian and 50% are straight...if one wants to include bisexual as a category, it's maybe one third of each.

I'm not sure what the percentages are for FtMs, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same. One does not go through transition because of one's sexual orientation, but for oneself. It's not about who we go to bed with but who we go to bed as.

I think transfolk fall in the category as "queer." :) One doesn't get much queerer than this, although some of my friends would flame me for saying it.

Personally I consider myself a lesbian, not just because of my orientation towards women but also because I feel a sense of belonging in the lesbian community that I have never felt in any other community. I realize that my background will always make me different, but nowhere have I ever found acceptance as much as I have among these women."

-snip-

The writer of this diary said that she has been flamed for that last sentence by the transgender community and called an "Aunt Jemima" and an "oreo" [both terms are adapted from African American vernacular. In this context, I suppose those terms refer to a transgendered female who is thought to act in Uncle Tomish ways toward lesbians.
http://www.answers.com/topic/uncle-tom gives this definition of Uncle Tom:
"Uncle Tom (tŏm)
n. Offensive.
A Black person who is regarded as being humiliatingly subservient or deferential to white people.

[After Uncle Tom, a character in Uncle Tom's Cabin, a novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe.]
-snip-

"Oreo" refers to the cookie that is chocolate on both sides with white creme in the middle.

As I am heterosexual who doesn't know that I know any transgendered individuals, and because I know very little about the "political" dynamics of homosexual groups {though I certainly know some homosexual individuals}, I have no way of knowing if the sentence that the writer says was flamed is actually a subservient or deferential remark.

But considering what is or is not subservient or deferential remarks & conduct and when and why that is so probably takes us away from the central points of the writer's diary.

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I would like to note that at this time, there are 229 comments to that Daily Kos diary. There are sure to be more comments later on.

As point of information, that progressive Democrat polical blog has 78,964 readers. All of those readers aren't members and only members can post on that blog. For instance, I lurk on Daily Kos and am not/nor have I ever been a member of that community.

One online community-Mudcat-is enough for me.