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Thread #100330   Message #2174094
Posted By: Amos
18-Oct-07 - 08:07 PM
Thread Name: BS: New things about atheism
Subject: RE: BS: New things about atheism
Well, since I seem to have inherited the role here of Angel's Advocate, the presumed tautology is not as presented. He argues that because our methods of knowing are bounded by our ability to perceive, experience and know, and that those methods are in turn defined by the organic means of acquiring data (bodily perceptic channels) that we are in a self-proving tautological loop if we say that by this means we can someday parse all of reality.

But Mrrzy's point is a strong one -- chaos theory was not derived from sesory observation, so much as theoretical analysis, the patterning of mental constructs to solve mathematics that have some time back taken departure from the purely sensory channels of perception and wandered into the manipulation of ideational forms.

What he is saying is not that "reality is bounded by reality" but that reasons based wholly on organic channels of awareness will be unable to acquire data concerning reality outside that boundary. NOT material reality but other "existence" if you prefer.

This does not assert that other realities such as deity do exist, but that they should not be dismissed on the basis of materialistic method.

I have made the same argument a number of times -- measuring and computing on ideational structures born from bodily perceptic channels is a closed system of perception and reality.

This observation does not make an assertions about what previously unmeasured reality might have in it, if our means of acquiring data were able to operate on those "bands", to use a material term.

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