Well, if you follow the dialogue--at least the way I understand it--we have set forth a few suggestions that a number of people can agree on in terms of making things better. But the political realities are not letting good ideas come to the surface. The reason--if I'm understanding Bobert correctly--is because the people with power like things the way they are, because everything works pretty well for them now.

            We understand that in order to change things, new ideas have to be presented to a great number of people. These people might be very hard to convince because of their various addictions, and if you threaten to take their drug away from them in order to get them to listen, you're probably going to find a very hostile audience.

            So that takes us back to square-one. You have a number of folks who don't really want to devote a great deal of energy to solving problems that they don't think will benefit them directly. I think one would have to expose religion for what it really is, and convince the users, before you could get to the next step.

          Re: Waiting. No, I think it would be a mistake to wait. Things are going to get any better until somebody does something. But I don't see FL just dropping out of the clouds at the very moment he's needed, so we need to go ahead without him.

          Re: Capitalization. I was just responding to somebody else's comment, who seem put out by the situation. Responding so as not to cut anyone out of the conversation