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Thread #106010   Message #2191533
Posted By: Teribus
11-Nov-07 - 05:56 PM
Thread Name: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
"I am simply saying that Iraq was far better off never being invaded by Bush's armies in 2003,"

Your opinion Little Hawk which is completely and utterly clouded by your almost pathological hatered of all things American, because they gave you a rough time as a child.

"regardless of the rotten things Saddam did to his people over the years"

Please do tell us about the rotten things that Saddam did to his people, give it some dimension and scale.

"(while the USA supported him through most of that time)"

Popularly believed left wing myth Little Hawk. Let's take a detailed look at that:
1967 - Diplomatic ties cut between the USA and Iraq
1978 - Saddam's coup where he murders 684 party members still no ties diplomatic or otherwise between US and Iraq
1980 - Saddam attacks Iran
1984 - December, the "Rumsfeld Handshake"
1989 - November diplomatic relations between Iraq and the US re-established
1990 - Iraq invades Kuwait
1991 - US led Coalition Forces attack Iraq and drive Iraqi Forces from Kuwait ending in the Safwan Ceasefire Agreement
1991 - 1998 - UNSCOM attempt to supervise Iraqi disarmament process
1998 - December US attacks Iraq in Operation "Desert Fox"
2002 - US goes to UN in order to get previous resolutions enforced, Iraq given one last chance with UNSC Resolution 1441
2003 - US plus it's Coalition Partners invades Iraq and sweeps Saddam from power.

Now what was yuour contention again Little Hawk that "the USA supported him (Saddam) through most of that time". Now that time would be from 1978 to 2003, correct? Thats 25 years Little Hawk.

Did the US support him between 1978 and 1984? - No it did not.
Did the US support him between 1984 and 1990? - Yes.
Did the US support him between 1990 and 2003? - No it did not.

So how do you work out that the US supported Saddam for most of his time in power when it can be clearly demonstrated and established that for all but six years of that 25 year period the US and Iraqi Governments were completely at odds with one another.

"And I hold to that."

By all means "hold to that" if you wish to believe in lies

"George Bush has done more harm to Iraq and Iraqis in general than Saddam was ever able to."

Now that I would very much doubt, I know you certainly cannot substantiate that claim, which may be shown by your reluctance to actually look in detail at the extent of Saddam's crimes against his own people

"Far more. He has killed more of them than Saddam did and ruined more lives there than Saddam and done more harm to the country than Saddam,"

Where is your proof and what are your grounds for making that ridiculous and totally false statement.

"AND he's trespassing, because he is NOT an Iraqi, and his soldiers have no business messing around in that country at all."

MNF Troops are present in Iraq at the specific request of the elected government of Iraq and under the terms of a United Nations Mandate, so unfortunately Little Hawk nobody is trespassing at all.

"They are committing unprovoked aggression against a country that was no threat to the USA in 2003...or indeed, at any time."

US intelligence community disagrees although they identified the threat early in 1998