Ah Baz:

"if none of this had happened, we would be richer by nearly 4000 military lives"

At the cost of how many civilian lives?


"Iraq would be richer by tens to maybe hundreds of thousands of civilian lives."

Not if Saddam and his sons had held to their averages in which case around 411,000 Iraqi's would have died since March 2003

"Iraq would be a whole nation as it was before US & in a much healthier state Yes, even under Saddam)."

As far as I know Iraq still is a whole nation, definitely as whole a nation as ever it was under Saddam, with the added advantage of being ruled for the first time ever by the majority, an elected majority at that Barry. Healthier Barry? But then I suppose that would depend on how you define healthy, care to ask any of the 605 Kuwaiti Nationals that Saddam adbucted in 1991, after all they as "outsiders" could give you a fairly impartial comparison with regard to life under Saddam and - Oh sorry, my apologies, the guy who you would rather see back in charge murdered them didn't he. Now that must have given ol' Saddam a bit of a problem in complying with UN Security Council Resolutions because he had to return those people didn't he - bit awkward if they're dead, eh Baz? Or maybe you could ask the Ma'daan Barry, I am absolutely certain that they would agree with you in welcoming the return of Saddam's rule if such were possible - go look up what that twat did to them Barry then come back and talk about "healthier", or did you just mean healthier for Saddam and his sons.

"I could go on but you get the point, right??????"

You no doubt will go on spouting the same rubbish, it would be nice once or twice if you actually came up with some substantive evidence to support some of the nonsense you come out with. You can't, so you won't, doesn't alter the fact one jot that it does not matter how many times you repeat your myths they remain simply myths to any who care to carry out even the most rudimentary examination of them.

"The US would not be getting ready to file chapter 11"

Not even close to it Barry.

"nor would it be split"

You mean to tell me that it was not already split in February 2001? Come on Baz you're pullin' my leg.

"nor wor(?) would it be hated by the rest of the world."

The US generally has never been "loved" by the rerst of the world Barry, envied yes, loved no. Most intelligent thinking folks think highly of the USA and admire what she has accomplished and done for the world, America is far from "hated" by the rest of the world, by the chattering left and a few Islamofascists yes, but not by "the rest of the world".

Please show me where GWB has stated that he will mount a pre-emptive attack on Iran. If you cannot do that stop wittering on about it as though it were fact when plainly it is not.