The Villan

It has become more of a "What the organsier should do for the pro"

I suppose that's my fault for pointing out that the gigs don't belong to the pros in the first place, they belong to the organisers who are free to give them to whoever they choose.
The only other point I've really tried to make is that, if you've done the website and the poster and the leaflets and the press hand outs, it's a bit much for the professionals to demand a guaranteed minimum to "keep us on our toes".

GUEST, Anon

I really don't think you understand how bad the situation is in some places, where I presume you never go.

Correct, I don't. There are clubs I have done floor spots at that I'll never go back to. I suggest you adopt the same policy.

I'm talking about what organisers should try to do - PERIOD. For themselves, for their clubs, for the music, AND for the pro.

I'm glad you got those in the right order except it's "for the guest" not "for the pro". Pros have no special status as far as we are concerned.

TheSnail has been so dismissive of my points, and I've been trying to get him to see beyond his current attitude.

I'm sorry, but what do you see as my current attitude and what are your objections to it? All you seem to have done so far is whinge and whine and moan about how awful club organisers are.
"what TheSnail advocates: Leave it all up to the artist to build his reputation in outer space somehow and then ride on his coat-tails." didn't do a lot to win me over to your point of view.

You're posting of 14 Nov 07 - 09:02 was amazingly patronising and showed that you have very little idea of what is involved in running a club. Try and remember that we are open at least fifty nights a year (plus other events) and your gig is just one of those.

Anyone reading your posts would be lead to believe that all clubs are awful. Only under pressure have you conceded that The Villan gets it right and that it's just possible that The Lewes Arms does as well.

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