"Anyone reading your posts would be lead to believe that all clubs are awful."

On the contrary. Please read my post at 09:02 again. I'm sorry if it came over as partonising - I had a lot to say and may not have chosen my words as carefully as I might. But I have made it clear all along that I'm only talking some clubs. You agree there are some you'd avoid - these are the places I'm talkikng about - that's obvious surely. The difference is that I don't write them off. I had hoped to encourage a debate which might help them to improve, but you taking my thoughts personally and becoming affronted, when obviously these problems don't apply at your club has taken the discussion off beam. I stand corrected re 'guests' and 'pros' - but I'd made that point myself at 05:53. "Only under pressure have you conceded that The Villan gets it right and that it's just possible that The Lewes Arms does as well." Again - not so. I cleared that up just as soon as it was raised. I also apologised at once for misunderstanding your comment, but I was not the only person to do so. It did seem as though you were supporting the attitude held by SOME organisers that it is entirely down to the artist to bring in an audience - which you have since agreed should not be the case. Enough.