You do not think that there has been progress Dianavan? Why is that because Ron told you so? Because that is what you want to believe? I believe that in an immensely complex situation, massive strides have been taken, I know it doesn't suit your point of view, but there again you can't have everything.

Tell us again about the "neo-con oil barons" stealing Iraqi oil. Whatever did happen to that "civil war" that was tearing Iraq apart.

In terms of timing it is roughly equivalent to what happened in Greece at the end of the Second World War, still early days yet, but I will go along with Guest Homey, "What violence remains is largely local and criminal".