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Thread #106771   Message #2209736
Posted By: Teribus
06-Dec-07 - 06:22 AM
Thread Name: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
Subject: RE: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
"Actually I cut and pasted the quote from another site, none of the input was mine. Bang to rights on that one!"

Well not really, "Bang to rights" on anything Stig, what I wrote was - "Now I take it that the "(Nelson)" is yours plus the "on the former South African president, who is still very much alive" is also your input" My assumption being made as neither the name in parenthesis or the note with regard to subject appeared in any quotation I read with regard to the content of the Press conference as reported.

Even so, it does not alter the fact that your 'cut 'n' paste', irrespective of source, was inaccurate and misleading - at worst a blatant lie, at best a deliberate misrepresentation.

Now having read, I take it that you have read the Associated Press transcript of the Press Conference, you will have the honesty to admit that the President was not talking about Nelson Mandela erstwhile President of South Africa at all, and that the context is as Associated Press have described it. Remembering that of course you did state rather emphatically - "Careful son - you know full well that's not my style and I resent the accusation."

We can pass on to "cherry-picking" - He is an example of yours:

"President Bush's response, "Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas.", was perfectly correct in relation to any potential Iraqi 'Nelson Mandela' figure."

Now what is that like when quoted in full and in context:

"I heard somebody say, `Where's Mandela?'" - Meaning in the context of what was being talked about, where was the 'Nelson Mandela' figurehead, or leader, in Iraq that could draw the different factions together politically in a similar environment of reconstruction, co-operation and reconciliation that the real Nelson Mandela achieved in South Africa at the end of the Apartheid era.

President Bush's response, "Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas.", was perfectly correct in relation to any potential Iraqi 'Nelson Mandela' figure. Saddam Hussein for 24 years had brooked no opposition whatsoever and had ruthlessly slaughtered anyone who dared to challenge him. Had Nelson Mandela been unfortunate enough to have been an Iraqi who opposed Saddam during that period the world would never have heard of him, he would have been arrested, tortured and executed immediately, along with most of his friends and family."