McGrath I agree the US Copnstitution is far from healthy.

Amos please don't think that I have implied that it takes torture or hunger or sleep deprivation to make people do unspeakable things or allow dispicable acts to occur in front of them.

It merely takes; the granting of authority, a silent consent, to do as the Romans do, to follow the crowd, to do whatever is customary, to go with the flow.

The urge to conform in the human animal is seemingly more powerful than our normal grasp of civil humanity.

In a way we can see how the sadists we hired to run Abu Graib simply and naturally evolved into sadists with strong sexual overtones. Not an excuse but a reality.

The same goes for many war criminals.

Perhaps these people are distinctly different from the lone nut who runs amok and shoots up a school or shopping mall since the shooters begin with fantasies of retribution and powerlessness instead of having real ower to exercise.