Ron - I can't recall having declared myself a secularist, but if that's what you want to call me, it's fine with me.

                  RE: Chavez: Yes, I'm aware that the referendum was designed to keep him in power indefinately. The people voted not to do this. The ball's in his court.

                  We have multiple examples of people trying to stay in power in the US forever. They can't do that with the presidency because we were lucky to have Washington as the first one.

                  Getting back to religion, I can see that educating people away from it is a huge undertaking and might prove to be impossible. Therefore, I suspect we will just have to let evolution run its course. Hopefully mankind will outgrow his dependancy on religion before he destroys the planet.