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Thread #106771   Message #2217299
Posted By: beardedbruce
17-Dec-07 - 12:09 PM
Thread Name: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
Subject: RE: BS: WMDs, Iran and Bush
On WMD
1. Bobert claimed that Dr. Hans Blix stated that the Iraqi's were co-operating fully with UNMOVIC, quoting Dr. Blix's report to the UNSC of 27th January, 2003.

This is true and has been substantiated for some time."

Not by anyone capable of reading the text of the Jan 27th report by Blix. "FULLY?????"



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"2. This claim has been disproved from at least two quarters purely by direct quotations from the same report which stated quite clearly that Iraq was not co-operating to the level required by UNSC Resolution 1441 or as claimed by Bobert, i.e. Bobert is knowingly misrepresenting the situation or he is deliberately lying."

No, the lies are coming from the "two quarters" that are not being mentioned. Iraq was indeed cooperating with 1441 and there was propaganda to insist that Saddam had ties to Al Quaeda which is also incorrect."

You now claim that the direct quotes from the Jan 27th report by Blix are lies?

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"3. On the "Prove a negative" aspect, BB has laid it out very well:
- Iraq was asked to submit a full declaration of what they had.
- UNSCOM/UNMOVIC have purchase orders, shipping records, import licences, manufacturing records, munitions records, disposal records.
- The Iraqis claim to have disposed of, or unilaterally destroyed it all."

It was in Bush's interest to ignore this claim because he had intended to go to war with
Iraq even prior to his election so that he could gain "political capital" according to his own statements."

SO?? Do you dispute that the material HAD been obtained, according to Iraqi records, and that no records or evicence of the destruction exist?


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"- UNMOVIC point out that the Iraq disposal records do not accord with the amounts manufactured, that there is a shortfall that needs to be explained, to which the Iraqis offer no explanation."

The US supplied Iraq with these nuclear materials at the time of the war with Iran."


SO??? That was under the NPT.

"The shortfall has been addressed by some who claim that they were sold on the black market. It wouldn't have mattered one bit what explanation the Iraqis offered because Bush's plans were already in place to invade Iraq. "

I fail to see any evidence other than your opinion to support this.




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" If unilaterally destroyed outwith the supervision of the UN there would be traces found at the disposal sites, none were found, surely the Iraqis would know where they had destroyed these items?"

They were destroyed under UN supervision. Pure and simple."

No, not according to the UN reports. Pleaseshow me where Blix says anything that could be twisted into this statement.