Well, I shoulda knowed better than to get my feet damp in one of these threads again. The temptation to both explain about logic & reason AND to ask that preaching not be done here sometimes overwhelms me. So I should not be surprised at what I get back....more preaching and more circular, convoluted explanations about how seemingly bad logic is not really bad ....if I just "open my heart and accept" the premises it is based on.

I can't say I wasn't aware of how it would go....but I can say I'm always disappointed.

At least I give in less often than I used to.

(And Peace...I DO love that parking place story! It says more about 'us' than most huge books do.)